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July 16, 2008

Daily roundup

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Steve (SBK)

In "The Problem with Eternity", (an interesting topic) it sounds like Mr. Stark is confusing Buddhist thought with Christian thought when he says:

"In the traditional Christian understanding, a person's soul spends an indefinite period in the afterlife being purified of all earthly desires; then, at the end of time, it is restored to his original body. ... [Discussion of cryonics]... This is quite a different scenario from religious resurrection, which promises a freedom from desire -- one of the essential components, sources say, of eternal bliss."

What sources are these that promise a freedom from desire? (And what kind of desire is he talking about?)

"Religious (er, that should read Christian) resurrection" doesn't in any way imply that we're going to be sitting on clouds, half-smiling in a drugged stupor. We need to do some serious thinking and communicating on the Eternity topic.

Rev. 21:4 "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

I've never heard that death/mourning et al. are requirements for desire.

Furthermore (1 Peter 1:22-23):
22Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.
23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Purification is an obedience to love... truly, deeply. (And the reasoning given is because we are made new by God's word, to live imperishable. Which relates back to Revelation 21:5 - 'He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!"'). Not a removal of desire.

Thoughts from anyone?

Gina Dalfonzo

Excellent points, Steve. I too was wondering where in the world the author got that idea of Christian beliefs about the afterlife.

Rolley Haggard

Heaven is not the elimination of desire, but the pure fulfillment of it. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be FILLED.” “I write these things unto you that your joy may be FULL.” “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ… that you might be FILLED with all the FULNESS of God.” “In thy presence is FULNESS of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore” and on and on and on. OMMMMMMM.


Sam Gamgee gave that which, in my opinion, is one of the best extra-biblical descriptions of heaven on record when at the end of the book he exclaimed, “Is everything sad going to come untrue?”

When the Father presents the church to Christ as His long-awaited bride, eternity will be one long honeymoon.

‘Nuff said!

Steve (SBK)

Couldn't agree more Rolley. There are probably thousands of such references.
The word is Beatific, not Nirvana.

On another note, I found the evolving English article interesting. I don't think it will take the same type of course as Latin (mainly because of technology - I was going to say the printing press, but, we've evolved from there. Communication is just too pervasive and instant for things to "get out of control").

At one point the author says:
'After all, if you can figure out "Environmental sanitation needs your conserve," maybe [the word] conservation isn't so necessary.'

But I think that's an argument for English maintenance. Sure, I can understand something, but it takes effort and is annoying. It's like saying having an accent is more desirable than being understood.
Controlled flow and precision is some of the language's good qualities.

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