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June 25, 2008

Who says no one’s willing to take a stand anymore?

Vances Looks like the youth of America can still rally behind a cause, after all.

(In related news, Chuck Colson makes the case for offshore drilling in today's BreakPoint commentary. Way to reach out to that younger demographic, Chuck!)

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CLH

In all due respect, I'd rather see them picketing the Burmese embassy for the junta's denial of aid to their peers overseas, or Sudan for the Darfur genocide, not for--boohoo--losing cable TV. I don't think they'd survive in Dreher's crunchy con land. Drill maybe -- but let's change consumer attitudes and habits too.

Gina Dalfonzo

I had much the same thought. Or even starting their own lemonade stand and learning something about the value of a dollar.

I just freaked myself out with that last phrase. Have I officially reached fogey-dom?

Gary E

Re Chuck's Breakpoint commentary Energy Independence...I found myself in wonderful agreement with him through about the first half of the commentary (sadly many christians don't even understand the things stated there, and it is very frustrating).

But the conclusions he comes to are, I believe, incorrect. And of course they are the conclusions that Newt Gingrich and many others are proposing as well.

If we go down the road of opening up more drilling sites, we will certainly get more oil in a few years. And that will almost certainly drive the price back down.

But what will happen then? The same thing that happened in the 80s and 90s when oil prices dropped from the shock levels of the 70s. Americans went back to their profligate ways, conservation was forgotten, alternative energy research was all but abandoned.

And now here we are with another price shock. Had we had not lost interest and focus after the 70's we could have been significantly more independent of foreign oil by now.

No, the correct solution is to forget about these other hard-to-get reserves, keep prices high, focus the country's mind on the true problem, and engage in a massive effort (akin to Apollo) to research all alternative sources (not just ethanol or super batteries as Mr. McCain has recently proposed). Let the best alternatives then win in the market place!

And we can put the auto industry's feet to the fire but demanding high-mileage cars at all price levels. Their protestations to Congress about recent increases in mileage requirements are ridiculous. They already make high-mileage cars in Europe and other countries where the mileage laws are much stricter. So clearly they already know who to make such vehicles. They just need to bring them here to the US.

If we don't do these things, then 10, 15 or 20 years from now after we have drilled all the new places and used everything up there, we will be right back to where we are now, and where we were in the 70's

p.s. the super battery already exists. See one of the recent issues of MIT Technology Review. Back issues can be viewed on their website. A new type of battery with amazing capabilities is being worked on to install in the GM Volt electric car coming out in 2 or 3 years.

CLH

Ha! Well, remember what happened to the one girl:
http://thepoint.breakpoint.org/2008/06/what-a-girl.html

CLH

Just clarification: My 2nd post above was in response to Gina's comment, not Gary's (well expressed, btw).

Grizzly Bear Mom

Protesting against loss of ones luxuries isn't taking a stand in my book, regardless of the protesters age. It's pouting.

We need to be better stewards of the gifts God entrusted to us including using them to make a meaningful differnce, conserving, exploiting solar & wind energy, etc. The waste I see in gasoline use, my relatives and the governments spaces is scary and shameful.

Gina Dalfonzo

Nor in my book. I meant the "taking a stand" line to be a joke, but possibly I underplayed it a little too much!

labrialumn

The current high fuel prices are going to kill people. The poor are the worst-hit by this, as they don't have disposable income to divert to getting to and from work (those of us outside the beltway most frequently do not have public transit options) The high fuel prices are the cause of the high food prices. (not ethanol, that is a falsehood that is somehow being spread. Qui bono?)

Drilling in the oil shale of the inter-mountain West where we have at least 1 Trillion barrels of oil, and ANWR, where we can bring in 10 billion barrels a year by using 0.01% of the zone in question - 5 times our present domestic output, and reversing the recent Democrat laws and allowing us to use oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan, North Dakota and Montana with new refineries to elminate safely the high sulfer - while at the same time building many thorium breeder reactors, reversing Carter's Presidential Decree forcing us to throw away the vast majority of usable fuel in fuel rods, and developing other alternate sources of energy; are the ways to go, in concert.

Preventing the Democrats desired nationalization of refineries "so that we can control the flow of fuel" is another important step.

labrialumn

Using batteries just sends the power generation to the power plant. It isn't clean energy unless it is coming from a reactor.

There is presently no battery providing the energy density of gasoline or diesel. Batteries are environmentally-unfriendly to produce. Carbon dioxide is not a problem. Toxic exotic metals -are-.

At any rate, -either- the oil shale, or the ANWR have at least 100 years of presently proven reserves, not "10, 20, or 30"

This isn't about luxuries, this is about being able to hold down a job and thus be able to put food on the table and heat the house in winter.

Beltway bandits and bicoastals tend to forget these things. They are frequently the people who also oppose windmills where they can see them, and the high pollution that solar cell production requires.

So, are the poor just supposed to die, so that the elites can get their goods from overseas slave labor and visit the uninhabited interior when the fancy takes them?

Matt

I don't get the environmentalists. In order to save 2000 acres of wilderness from drilling by Americans who are actually conscious of the environmental impact of our oil extraction (and also regulated by environmental laws), we are instead buying oil from the middle east and Russia who, most likely, completely disregard any environmental impact of their oil extraction...

Chris Clukey

Labrialumn, as the managing editor of a grain industry trade magazine, I can tell you there is no doubt that the ethanol mandate is helping drive food costs up. You can't take a portion of a supply out of circulation without affecting the price; it simply doesn't happen.

That said, it's not as big a factor as growing demand in the developing world and fund managers running to commodities because of inflation fears. But it is a reality.

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