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March 18, 2008

’A More Perfect Union’

Obama_speech Sen. Obama addresses the Jeremiah Wright controversy. (H/T The Corner)

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Christian Prophet

Obama wants it both ways. He asks America to rise above race and religion, while hoping to appear religious himself. But he is in deep trouble if a spotlight is shined on his own THEOLOGY. See:

Jason Taylor

Maybe, butI am more sympathetic. To many public people seem to get hit out of the blue by a suddenly discovered and rather obscure scandal. Which is why I have no desire to be a politician.

benjamin ady

You might want to link to the video of the speech as well.


It's easier for some of us to listen than to read it. (I find this is true in university classes as well. Some of my fellow students can skip class and just read the textbook, whereas I find it easier to listen to the lectures and skip the textbook--in those classes where the lectures are just basically the textbook spoken)

Christian prophet,

So do I understand you to be saying that in your "worldview", only those Christians who agree with you, at least to the extent that they embrace capitalism rather than socialism or marxism, are not "real" christians? It seems a kind of sweeping claim--this rather largish segment of the Christian church are not "real" christians.

Who should have the authority to define who's "real" or not? And how tightly shall we define it? And I guess the more interesting question is--why is it important to you to narrow the in-group to the extent that you do?


Obama's speech is yet another reason I am proud to be a member of the Democratic party. It was a display of leadership on a real issue. We have missed its like for far to long. I look forward to voting for him in November.

Jason Taylor

Benjamin, it is important to define "Christian", because a word is useless without a definition. That is like saying it is unimportant to define the word, "automobile" or the word, "boat". Who are you to say that just because a vehicle isn't designed to float on water that doesn't mean it's a boat?

Jason Taylor

The fact is I think Obama is a nominal believer. I do not say this by way of insult but by way of charity. If he thought that Wrights remarks had relation to the essence of his worldview, one might wonder. However I think he thinks of religion as a variant of a club as do many people. And therefore he tolerates Wright the way he would tolerate any eccentric he would meet at an Elks lodge, or a coin collector's convention. He doesn't seem to be the type of person that takes Wright seriously. A Churchgoer who doesn't take his pastor seriously is likely a nominal. So in fact I think many of us misunderstand him because they would in fact take a preacher as someone who is giving counsel as to God's ways. I think Obama just thinks of Wright as being someone he holds in affection.

Sy Hoekstra

Jason, it's also possible that the comments of the Rev. were slightly, and I do mean slightly, taken out of context. The kind of lamenting and condemning rhetoric the Rev. uses is extremely common amung black preachers, and has a long long history within the church itself. It mostly begins with the Rev's namesake prophet. So Obama could very well just be used to that style of preaching, and just thought that those particular remarks went overboard. The inflamitory manner in which they were said is not shocking. Also, Obama has a history at that church, including his conversion experience, so that might have something to do with his continued attendence and monetary donation. I just think it's a little hasty to dismiss his convictions as nominal because of the fact that he doesn't take everything his pastor says seriously.

Jason Taylor

That's a good point. Fair enough.In any case Obama doesn't really sound like the sort of person that would be inclined toward that sort of thing. For better or worse he seems to amiable.
Also, to be fair it's not just in black churches you can hear that sort of thing about calling judgment on America, etc. I find it extremly distasteful myself but it is not as if it is unknown. Sometimes horror comes from culture shock rather then the actual content.


Christian Prophet,

I have to ask, what's up with this "If you only read what I tell you to read you'll agree with every word I say, and if you don't then you didn't actually read it" mentality? There seems to be a lot of it around here lately (not just from you, "Christian" Prophet). Let's all bear in mind, it is possible for a number of people to hear the same speech and still agree with the arguments that it makes. Rev. Wright's arguments are Scriptural.

"The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: and he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to me soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God." (Luke 12:16-21).

Gina Dalfonzo

It's not quite the same situation, Walter. Christian Prophet only put up a link. He (she?) didn't accuse anyone of not reading it.

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