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September 18, 2007

Legislator Sues God

Yes, you read that right; and remember, you read it first on The Point.

A Nebraska state senator, fed up with our litigious society, has filed suit against God. What damages is Senator Ernie Chambers claiming?

God has caused “fearsome floods, egregious earthquakes, horrendous hurricanes, terrifying tornadoes, pestilential plagues, ferocious famines, devastating droughts, genocidal wars, birth defects, and the like…resulting in the wide-spread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth’s inhabitants including innocent babes, infants, children, the aged and infirm without mercy or distinction.”

For these and a host of other “harmful activities,” Senator Chambers seeks an injunction against God. I’d say the senator’s chances are on par with reversing the staggering trend of frivolous lawsuits in our country. But then again, we’re talking about the same branch of government that issued an injunction against God (at least in symbol and speech) in the public square.

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Brian

I actually read it on GoogleNews first;)

Raoul

Since god does not exist, it's rather a moot point. However, if he did indeed do the things ascribed to him in the Bible and proclaimed by his followers, his moral culpability would be tremendous.

Dennis Babish

As usual God gets all of the blame and man takes all of the credit.

Carl Bromley

Two comments: If the senator would happen to get a judgment against God, I can imagine God chuckling and saying to Jesus "You just watch. The good senator's got a judgment day coming, too, and he won't like the verdict. And neither will the judge!"

Re causing floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc... God's on the stand. "Well, you see, the senator doesn't know the whole plan. I didn't cause those things to happen. In fact, I helped bring in food, water, and shelter during the recovery effort."

J Richards

At least this man admits that God exists! If this is taken seriously, then the government also admits this as truth and should be in awe and fear of such a powerful God. Therefore, the government should make sure that God is worshipped and revered in our schools, our monuments (in courthouses,etc.) and celebrated at every opportunity! Otherwise, this all powerful God just might cause more of said catastrophes to get our attention!!

Catherine Claire

I think Job tried that first. I wonder if the Senator is ready for the answer he might get.

Paul

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahah!

kmosaabe

The senator is trying to make a point. But this article and others I've seen don't seem to provide enough information for me to understand the point that the sentator thinks he is making.

Sarah Edwards

My understanding was that the senator was trying to make a point about frivolous law suits, not about anything theological.

And I saw it somewhere else first, too. :)

Tom Stelene

This suit does not admit that God exists! I think the Senator's actions are a good "reductio ad absurdum" of the idea of God, whether he intends that or not. There is no God, but if the Christian God did exist, He should be judged because the Miserable Old Bastard has a lot of explaining to do!

"Re causing floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc... God's on the stand. "Well, you see, the senator doesn't know the whole plan. I didn't cause those things to happen. In fact, I helped bring in food, water, and shelter during the recovery effort.""

I say, sounds to me like you have a Rube Goldberg of a God! That's something to worship!

Regis Nicoll

Commenting on his own frivolous suit, the senator admitted on CNN that he is an atheist. Any one surprised?

Tom--and if he (the Miserable Old So-'n-So) DOES exist, he just might ask YOU to explain on what basis he should have restrained those floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc.

Jason Taylor

There was a Touched By An Angel like that where the red-haired Irish angel with the pretty accent had to represent the defense when a farmer sued God in a County Court. It was funny how befuddled the judge was.
Technically though a sovereign state cannot be sued without it's consent. And allowing individual government workers of that state including the Head of State to be sued for actions taken in the course of their duties disrupts the inner workings of the organization. Furthermore if I recall permission to sue God was already given once two thousand years ago. The verdict was guilty but there were proceedural difficulties and the verdict was overturned three days later.
Then too, God is not a citizen of the United States. He does have a citizenship waiting for him in the State of Israel under the Law of Return and rumors say He is considering availing Himself of that, but he hasn't returned yet. We can also say he has a citizenship of Vatican City but many Protestants would dispute that. And as the Head of State of Vatican City has devoted much of his career practiceing to be attorney for the Defence, having the case judged there is questionable.
More over there is the complication that the present State of Israel is not the same as that under which he was previously sued and has a different Constitution. The previous regieme was arguably incompetant by virtue of the fact that it was a protectorate of the Roman Empire and thus unable to decree certain sentances-while the Procurator's office most certainly had no jurisdiction over the case given the charges filed at the time were about religious matters over which Caesar(as represented by the Procurator's Office) had no authority. An important procedural discrepancy.
Then there is the problem that assesing damages to a Defendant who owns the cattle on a thousand hills and the wealth in every mine.
Furthermore there is a danger of a countersuit being brought. As genocidal wars are caused by the direct intention of human beings, and plagues and famines are usually caused by the incompetance of human beings there is considerable difficulty. No one is really capable of paying damages.
Then too, how do we select the jury? For instance Christopher Hitchins and Richard Dawkins must be eliminated based on their widely witnessed expressions of bias against the defendant as well as their doubts of his existance. You can't be tried before jurors who don't believe you exist after all.
Then there are a number of people who claim bias in the Defandant's favor who would be most disturbed at learning of His actual nature. These must not be there.
So given the numerous legal difficulties involved in bringing a suit against God it is probably best to be satisfied with doing so once two-thousand years ago before the Sanhedrin and the Procurator's Office in Jerusalem even though neither court still functions. In return the Defendant has promised to agree not to bring a countersuit against Man.

Simon Bocio

It is ashamed for a public official to act like a child. His brain most be smaller then a mustard's seed. This is definitely his fallacy thinking that the name of the Almighty God can be used in vain. His idiotic suit will stalk him for the rest of his natural life and beyond

Lisa

Let him look like a complete idiot and further his ridiculous petition. The Lord will continue being God, for there is nothing man can say or do to change that. God loves all the Mr. Chambers', and their hatred of God does not negate God's love for Him, for God is in totality "Love." I am stumped at how can people who claim to be atheists blame "God?" Atheists insists there is no God. Hmmmmm, sounds like Mr.Chambers doesn't know what He is. The Church should pray He doesn't become a crispy critter, for that is where he is heading fast!

Ken

"Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against his anointed, saying, 'Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.'

"He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision."

Psalm 2:1-4

Steve (SBK)

Yes, Tom. Thank you for pointing out the millenia-old 'Problem of Evil'. You are a good "petitio principii" of the idea of God.

sharon

so sad he is going to hell

rob

I Know there is a GOD! God created man,
I wll be praying for him, God is love, and how can you sue God! He LOVES EVERYONE! GOD IS THE REASON WE ALL LIVE
EACH DAY!IF GOD IS NOT REAL, WE Would not be here. GOD BLESS ALL!
JESUS SAVES!

Berend Harmsen

Well, who would have thought that this would turn into a discussion about religion. I'm so surprised.
And for those keeping score: I'm on the 'God doesn't exist' side (which is so obvious to me that I'm not even going to bother arguing the point anymore)

Regis Nicoll

Berend--I commend you. At least you are taking your view of the world to its logical conclusion. For if God doesn't exist, there's not much to argue about--just accept life's meaningless absurdity, and move on. But IF he does exist, well...

Trent

God is Real and Alive, and there are no doubts about it. If God didn't exist...we would'nt be here right now. The world wasn't built to last, but we are. One day we will all stand before God for judgement. It's not even our place to judge others.

Luke 6:37-49
37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Mikaela

Isn't the government trying to take God our of everything? Schools, the Pledge of Allegiance, money..etc. Also, they are so worried about trying not to offend America's diversity. What about the population that this senator offends? I'm sure they won't be worried about that at all.

Antonieta

To all Nebraska people.... they should get together and suit the goverment for letting this go to court to begin with and spend the people's tax money on something so stupid like this.... On the other hand... how can they proove that God was the one that did all these??? It could have be done by the Devil too... right?????

Kim Moreland

Sharon, don't consign Chamber's to hell just yet. I'm sure there will be a lot of people in heaven who we'd given up as a lost cause.

Lori Barchers

Being from Nebraska, I am shamed to say, this is not real surprising. This man has been intellectually challenged from day one. You wouldn't hear of Tom Osbourne doing such a thing. This is completely ridiculous but anyone who has ever heard of Ernie knows that this is not unusual for him. Better to ignore him so maybe he will just go away. Then he can meet his ultimate JUDGE. That would be a far more interesting story than this.

Steve Smith

Wonder who ol' Ernie managed to get for a lawyer...

John 10.9

If God is capable of doing all those things the senator says God did... the senator should be trembling and re-consider his decision to sue the Almighty!

Holly Friesen

OK beleivers, this is a guy who is REALLY searching for answers. The Bible has those answers. And guess what, we re the ones to witness to him. Yea, we are. The Bible (our guidebook as Christians, remember?) says that God "does not want any to perish but all to come to repentence." That "He is patient" God is "Kind".
But He is also God. (Ok, the following is a brief overview of the Christian belief and reasons for bad stuff in the world) A Perfect and Holy God is unable to have imperfection in his presence-simply because that failure would kill the object of his affection. Man. Whom he created. So as not for man to die in his Holy Presence, He sent Jesus, 2000 years ago to bear for us the death penalty for our shortcomings. All who put there trust in Him, and desire to live life HIS way ( not cheating, stealing,loving people instead of using them,etc,) will find the power to do just that.
When we talk to God and acknowledge He is worthy of that trust, that He is God, the only one. And to give ourselves to Him to heal us, help us cope, and forgive us. He can then begin to fill our lives with His guidance and plans--which are always, always exactly where we KNOW we belong. A relationship with the Creator. Wow. Who could believe it.But it is true. Ask the millions who have experienced it.Knowing and loving God through Christ, results in a meaningful life.
That is what it means to be FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT--I am not talking about a new age experience of guided imagary--I am talking about the spirit of Christ, living inside your heart and directing your thoughts. The results are hospitals built for the sick, care for the needy, help to the prisoners, teachers of truth, leaders who protect.
The man simply does not understand the Biblical view that God does not CAUSE all the tragedy nor delights in seeing the consequences of all the bad choices that PEOPLE CHOOSE to make. Bad weather, it is the result of the earth groaning, as the sciptures says, handling all the earth's seaasons and currents, until the day all is at peace at Christ's return.(I did not make this up-it is in the Bible-which can be trusted)
Stuff just happens because we live in a sinful, reject-God world. That is WHY we are the SALT and LIGHT. SO, lets shed some light.
This is an opportunity.
Ok, so WHO will take the plunge to go TALK to the guy in a gracious spirit (see Galations 5,6)???? I am not in the position to do so, but some of you out there are!!!!
I'll be praying.
I have a good feeling that if we all stop judging him and start praying for him, you watch, God will create an encounter with this guy and he will never be the same.

Regis Nicoll

Holly--that's a great challenge! Around each of us, opportunities abound to be SALT and LIGHT.

Dave Garton

How can you claim to be an Atheist on CNN
and sue God? Can't sue something you don't believe in can you? Isn't this a catch 22 situation?

erika

COME ON!!! THIS IS THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW IT'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT. STOP WASTING YOUR TIME COMPLAINING AND GET TO PRAYING, FASTING, AND BEING ABOUT THE LORDS BUSINESS!!...the effectual fervant prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Suzanne

As a Nebraskan it is just another stunt for Ernie to get attention. Funny for being an over taxed state we can afford to sue God but do not have enough money to help our schools. Just a blatant show of governmental stupidity. It has been time for Ernie to go for a very long time.

Nicole

I am disturbed by his comments. "The suit/article also says God has caused "calamitous catastrophes resulting in the wide-spread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth’s inhabitants including innocent babes, infants, children, the aged and infirm without mercy or distinction.""

God didn't cause any of these things to happen. He doesn't even want these things to happen- he is a loving God! However, He is also judge and jury and the things mentioned in this quote are all ramifications of our sin when one man and one woman decided to disobey their maker and eat of the wrong tree. Everything was perfect before that event and after it happened, death, pain and destruction ensued as punishment for man's sin. Thankfully, He gave up His son, Jesus, as a gift to die for us and to take on our sins so that we may be made clean in His sight when we face our maker on our day of judgement.

I am so angry that not only is our God being taken out of this country, but that he is to be made a fool in this instance. It is offensive and this has gone over the edge. I will pray for Mr. Chambers and the courts involved. Even though this is a sin, God will still forgive him if he asks for forgiveness and takes the love of Jesus Christ into his heart. I can not condemn him or judge him rightly for this decision, as I to will be one day judged. There is a scripture that says this very thing. Judge and be judged; condemn and be condemned, forgive and be forgiven. I can just ask God to forgive him and will pray that all will be done to glorify the Lord in the long run.

Prof. Law

The senator proceeds from a false premise; he is accusing from a moral stance and saying that these things that happened were bad, or wrong to have happened. To do that the Senator has assumed there is a difference between right or wrong, good or bad, and to do that he has assumed a moral law. If he assumes there is a moral law then he has assumed there is a moral law giver. Hence his point has already been negated by his original assumption. Senator you may please sit down, the balance of your time will be given back to the rest of us to ponder the wonderment of it all.

Sue

GOD will handle His own defense and I can't wait to hear His closing argument. Or, perhaps He will send Job to speak for him, or Daniel.

Prof. Law

Hey Commentator!
You swapped my comment dated on the 22nd with Nicole's please correct this. Thank you

Gina Dalfonzo

Prof. Law, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean by swapping comments?

Beth duncan

I tend to agree with what the gentleman above who stated in reference to the all powerful God that is "causing " said things. which is basically that since God is so all powerful , I think I would be careful where I lay judgement. Also I am a firm believer in all things happening for various reasons. We are not the only people that have lived through turbulent tragedies. It has been happening for thousands of years. Man needs to be allowed to know of such things for the growth of our own desire to know this same God and what He is capable of if we do not treat our world (both people and the earth itself) as we should. Bottom line: life always comes and bites us in the buttocks if we do not live right .
Besides, where will the winnings come from ? Not me! I live on the tragedy side.

Prof. Law

Dear Commentator:
My writings, you posted as written by Nicole, September 21, 2007 at 10:01 PM. Then you posted Nicole's posting, September 22, 2007 at 12:49 AM, as Prof. Law was its author. Is this a software glitch on your end, or is it a security matter?

I am sensing an irony here about creation of things by man . . . The Senator would like to say God created all the world's calamity, but God stated that he would not interfere in Man's affairs. I call that a swap, so who now holds the responsibility of the outcomes?

Gina Dalfonzo

Okay, first of all, please call me Gina. :-)

Second, let me make sure I have this straight: You actually wrote the comment beginning, "I am disturbed by his comments," and it was accidentally posted with Nicole's name? And she wrote the one beginning "The senator proceeds from a false premise"? If so, I'm sorry. It must have been some sort of very strange system error, which has never happened before. I'm afraid there's nothing I can do at this point to fix the problem (nothing that wouldn't take an enormous amount of time, that is, and I'm not even sure that would work), but your issuing this public correction should take care of it. Thank you.

Telma Anijar Andersen

What is next? There are people for everything and anything in this earth.

Doesn't he understand that man is the one that brings destruction upon the earth? All of these natural disasters are a result of humanity's sins.

Mankind has provoked the wrath of G-d, so suing G-d or getting angry with him is to no avail.

One thing we can all do, is REPENT of our evil ways. Pray, pray, pray to Hashem to forgive us.

Glory to G-d in the Highest, Amem

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