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February 29, 2008

Oprah Winfrey, the High Priestess of New Age Worldview

Oprah Oprah Winfrey is one of the most popular and influential women of today. One of the richest women in the world, she has given away billions of dollars to various charities, building an academy in South Africa for disadvantaged girls and beginning the Angel Network and Christmas Kindness, to name a few. When she mentions a book on her show, it immediately becomes a bestseller. She gives away automobiles to her audience, and I imagine if she mentioned her favorite toothpaste its sales would go through the roof. No wonder she is popular. Who criticizes Santa Claus?

From a childhood of poverty, sexual molestation, and a teenage pregnancy, Oprah has come a long way to become who she is today. She was raised in a Christian church where she was, at one time, nicknamed “The Preacher” because of her ability to recite Bible verses before she was 6. Today it appears she has rejected the faith of her youth and now completely embraces the New Age worldview. (Source: Wikipedia)

Oprah has stated that self-actualization is her primary focus. To back that up she has embarked on a journey that leads her followers down the New Age path. Beginning last January on her XM Radio program, she started a yearlong course titled “A Course in Miracles,” taught by Marianne Williamson, a New Age leader. Each day there is a lesson taken from the workbook for this course. At the end of the course, listeners are supposed to have a redefined spiritual mindset, a New Age worldview.

In addition, beginning next week there will be an online course titled “A New Earth,” based on the book of the same name, written by Eckhart Tolle, another New Age leader. To sweeten it so that people will sign up, both Oprah and Eckhart will be online and you can chat with them live.

Tolle says on his website what the aim of the course is:

 

Our aim is to explore through the teachings of the book the most important question you can ask: What is the purpose of my life and how do I fulfill that purpose? It will be a course in self-exploration and awakening. It will help you see what the dysfunctional patterns are within yourself that create unnecessary conflict and suffering and prevent you from finding true fulfillment. Hopefully it will also help you access a dimension within yourself that perhaps you didn’t know existed or only caught glimpses of on rare occasions. Don’t be trapped for the rest of your life within the narrow confines of your personal history and your conditioned personality and allow your life to be transformed from within, through the power of consciousness itself.

Does this concern anyone? It sure does me. Oprah is using her fame and influence for the betterment of other people -- which apparently means promoting a false religion that will, in the end, lead its followers to destruction. What is equally of concern is that many of her followers are Christians who seem seduced into believing this empty religion. As I perused Oprah’s message boards to learn more about this book, many of the commenters stated they were Christians and were becoming confused by what they were reading. Others were telling them that they didn’t have to give up their religion and that this book just explains what the Bible says more clearly. What seduction.

Oprah’s listeners are told: God is in everything I see; I am the light of the world; and my salvation comes from me. All of this is the same old nonsense that New Agers have been teaching for years. Now they have a high priestess in Oprah.

While I can applaud Oprah for what she has accomplished in her own life despite the obstacles, I cannot applaud her for thinking and believing that it was her that accomplished this on her own. To Ms. Winfrey I would say, "Have you forgotten the verses you recited as a child and neglected to give credit to God for your success? God has given you much in order to use your fame, fortune and talents to glorify Him and not yourself. The Bible tells us that our purpose here on earth is to glorify and worship Him who has given us all. If you are looking for true fulfillment you are looking in the wrong places.”

Christians who are caught up in the philanthropic deeds of Oprah need to be reminded that they are also being caught up into thinking that her philosophy is compatible with Christianity. It is not.

Let us remember the God and faith of our youth and spend our time reading, studying, and meditating on the Word of God, not on the word of Oprah or Tolle.

My thanks to Brian and Ann of Life 1025 for bringing this to my attention.

(Image courtesy of Wikipedia)

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Steve

The oldest lies in the universe are:
"your eyes will be opened"
"you shall be like gods"
"you shall know the difference between good and evil"

Remind me, please, exactly what is "new" about New Age?

Chris

Steve, you succinctly nailed it right on the head.

Nothing new under the sun.

Plus, when finally confronted, we naturally turn around to shift the blame. As someone once said, Adam said, "It was the woman (that "You gave", indirectly initially blaming God Himself!), then Eve said, "It was the serpent...", then the serpent looked around and said, "Uh oh!"

Brian

You beat me to the punchline, as I was reading I thought "I would think given her church upbringing, which appears to have played an important role in her life, that she would be embracing Christianity, not New Age spiritually which didn't give her anything."

I wonder if any of her would-be followers are stopping to think "A Christian church helped shape Oprah's success, why would I follow something different?" Not that a faith in Christ or attendance at a church necessarily correlates to financial success (or even should) but still...

Bo

2 Peter 2:9  The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: Just because Oprah was brought up in a Christian Church does not make her a Saint. Lucifer knew God and he still went against Him. He also knows every word in the Bible better than any human on earth because he was with the author of Gods Holy Word. He knows that his time is coming to an end VERY SOON and now as always, he is using his most influentual people that he can. Oprah being one of those. Oprahs ability to quote scripture at the age of 6 does not mean it was in her heart but in her head. True believers of Christ cannot be fooled by her push of this new age. If so then they are double minded and unstable in all of their ways. Her money and her fame mean nothing, because she did NOT do it herself. Matthew 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Lucifer or satan now, can in no way even though he knows scripture will he ever be able to enter the Kingdom. Romans 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
When Oprah stopped renewing her mind with the True Living Word of God, she became an easy target, and then she got eaten alive with the Love of money. No matter how many cars she gives away or schools for the under privileged she starts, she will not have any part in Heaven when she pushes her own self awareness view point. It is called Pride and it comes before the fall from Grace. No one can blame the church she was brought up in. God gives all a free will. Joshua 24:15  ¶And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. It should be obvious to all real Christians to whom she is serving. We should Pray for her. Honestly, I think God should break her. It is one of the ways He can get her attention. So Pray people. Pray.....

Rose Mary Heavner

Satan is getting desprate and bring out the big guns. The Lord said that even the ELECT may be fooled by the false teachings comeing by wolfs in sheeps clothing. Ophrah makes a good case for Justification BY FAITH. No matter how much good deeds we do unless we know and believe in our hearts that its is the "CROSS and ONLY the CROSS" that that openned the doors for us to come before
God and humble ourselves and be accepted....BECAUSE OF THE WORK JESUS DID ON THE CROSS TO MAKE US ACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD!!!! Ophrah serves the god of this world and Jesus said be not of this world, but be ye transformed by the 'RENEWING OF YOUR MIND". Christians now more than ever need to check things out that they hear or read with the WORD OF GOD. We need to pray that the Lord will open her eyes that she may truely see the TRUTH!! Love her and pray for her and those that are following her into false teachings.

duke

Peace be with the moderator, as well as the readers(if this is not censored)

A short message entitled: "Consciousness Gurus"
can be read on our website.

randall

eckhart tolle is preparing millions for the antichrist.

just as john the baptist pointed to Jesus, tolle will eventually "hand off" his followers to the antichrist.

Erik

When you've had an experience of God's peace, you will know that what Eckhart is teaching is true.

Most Christians have not actually experienced God's peace. Consequently, they cling to their beliefs as a substitute.

But what Jesus (and Eckhart) has always taught is that the truth IS found within ("The Kingdom of Heaven is within"). It cannot be found in beliefs.

Elizabeth

Hi, Erik,

The problem with basing your view of truth on experience is that it makes it difficult to discuss with others. You cannot know for sure whether another person has "experienced God's peace." Since you seem to see this as a requirement for knowing the truth, you therefore have no way of knowing if anyone else's views are correct.

You say you agree with Ekhart that "truth IS found within" but then say that truth "cannot be found in beliefs." The problem is, the statement that truth is found within is itself a belief, so this statement contradicts itself.

dennis babish

Erik,
Can you give me the Scriptures where you found that Jesus said truth is found within? I can't seem to find where Jesus said that.
However what I have found is in John 8:31-32: "If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
I also did a search on the phrase "kingdom of Heaven" and Jesus talked about it being at hand, how it can be compared to, saying to Peter that Jesus is giving him the keys to heaven. But Jesus never said it is within always giving the impression that it is outside of us.
I'm assuming you are attending Oprah's class so maybe you can ask him where he found that in the Bible.
I would be intersted in his response.

Steve

Dennis,

Perhaps I can help Erik out.

Let's see, there's Genesis 6:5:

"The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time."

Oops, wrong verse. Let's see, maybe Genesis 8:21:

"Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood."

No, not that one either...Jeremiah 17:9?

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

Wait, those are verses from the angry God of the OT. Must be in the NT, say, Ephesians 4:17-18:

"This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart"

Well, maybe those refer to unbelievers. Christians surely find light within, right? Like those in 2 Timothy 4:3-4:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."

Sorry, I guess I'm not being too helpful. It's looking an awful lot like "within" should be the last place a Christian should presume to find truth.

Matthew Hart

God bless and keep you all. I've read the comments here. I see a forum full of good hearted people who are unfortunately caught up in projecting their own "shadow" on other religions and groups. God is grander and more loving than any one scripture or religion or religion can embrace! I see you evoking the name of Satan. Can't you realize that by seeing evil in others, your risk becoming evil? You will seek ways to justify your condemnation and perturbation - even in scripture. Eventually, I fear, some of you may find passages in scripture that justify the mistreatment of those you fear. Would that not be Satan in action? Neither Oprah nor Tolle are attacking anyone. But your thoughts are rigidly locked, and many of you here feel under attack and will not brook any deviation. You perceive attacks where there are none! No one is attacking you. Freedom to practice your faith in America and elsewhere is alive, unchallenged!!! No one is threatening it. So why would you feel so threatened? Why such paranoia? Do you need to feel attacked to maintain solidarity together? Why invoke the name of Satan in the same breath as "New Age" or the quiet spoken, gentle man Oprah is talking with? What violence is in some of your hearts? God is both without and within. Praying is TALKING to God. The honorable ancient practice of still sitting meditation is LISTENING - it is the other half of the conversation. Listening to God's voice within your own breath and heart is not some scheme of Satan's. Stilling all anxious thought and listening to the gift of His presence is reverence that leads to the loving treatment of all.

Nick

In my opinion, and the rest of the people below the Mason-Dixie Line I think that Oprah needs to be taken off of her high-horse. She needs someone to slap her back into reality, and teach the true ways of Christ. She has a lot of influence in this country and in many others, but she is influencing them the wrong things.Jesus Christ is savior and the only way to Heaven. So she needs to put down these benign self-help books that put down Christ, and pick up a Bible!

Matthew Hart

Dear Elizabeth:

Your "within" quote is from Luke 17:21

20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation,

21 nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

dennis babish

Matthew,
You have quoted Scripture correctly.
However you have applied it incorrectly.
The Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming. They, as most other Jews at that time, was expecting the Messiah to set up a physical kingdom that would overthrow the Romans and they would be saved.
Jesus was correcting that perception by saying the kingdom wasn't a visible temporal kingdom such as David's kingdom was.
Rather it was a kingdom of the heart. In our hearts sits a throne from which all that we believe and do comes from.
Now here is where Eckhart and Scripture part.
Scriptures talks about the throne in our hearts being yielded to Jesus and he is the one that sits upon that throne.
Eckhart, on the other hand, has us occupying that throne and not yielding to Jesus and what Scripture says we are to do.
We cannot find truth within us. We can find it only thru our faith, Scripture, and giving our lives up to Jesus.

Matthew Hart


Dennis: Thank you for speaking of the kingdom of the heart. You say "Eckhart, on the other hand, has us occupying that throne and not yielding to Jesus and what Scripture says we are to do."

It seems you have Tolle framed as one who "defies" Jesus. That's how I hear your words, "not yielding." I have never heard Tolle say, don't yield to Jesus. In fact the core principles of Jesus about how to treat others are respected greatly. Do no harm is one of the principles in his teaching. Is that not in harmony with the Saviour's teaching?
But it seems there is harm in some of the word posted here. It seems there is little tolerance for anything that suggests ways to divine grace and a peaceful world not mentioned in the Bible.
Intolerance is the gateway drug to justifying doing harm to others. I hear a great deal of anger and intolerance in some of the posts here. Calling Tolle an agent of Satan, that he is somehow preparing millions for the anti-christ. These are hostile, destructive words. I hear fear, rage and war-like enmity in these messages, a strong sense of people feeling threatened and lashing out. Where is the tender gentleness and love of the Christian church I grew up in? Must everyone now convert and believe one doctrine or they are sub-human, propagating the words of Satan, and worthy of condemnation? Is this is what "being saved" means now - angry words from stricken hearts? Can this really be what Jesus "tells" some of these writers to do while He sits on the throne of their hearts, to hate, to condemn. Is this really Jesus talking, guiding them? If not, then there is something dreadfully wrong with the nature and reliability of their faith and love for their neighbor.

dennis babish

Matthew,
Thanks for your reply.
I agree with you Tolle probably has never said don't yield to Jesus. However, he probably has never said to yield your life to Jesus either.
Here's my point unless Tolle is pointing you to Jesus as your Lord and Savior and telling you to devote your life to Him then he is doing you harm as he is leading you down a dead end path. That is a great harm.
True grace and peace comes from God and anything that is not based on God's spoken word, the Bible, will not give a true grace and peace but a false sense of it until the storms of life hit.
God calls us to put our focus on things above and not of this world.
Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except thru me."
Is Tolle moving you in this direction or away from it?
As for how everyone is writing as comments I can't speak to their emotions behind their words. Frankly neither can you. As for me I am neither angry or intolerant unless you are saying that by disagreeing with Tolle I am intolerant. If you are saying that, then I suggest you look up the definition of the word.
Tolle can speak what he believes and I will speak what I believe.
The question you have to answer for yourself is: How do you really know that what you really believe is really true?

Ron Dugger

Bravo Matt. Christians who do not cling to salvation and eternal life through Christ are doomed to destruction. The Bible teaches we must trust our eternity to grace alone, through faith alone, through Christ alone. This is the pure truth; anything else "imagined from within" or preached from any false teacher is wrong. Because the Bible is the inspired Word of God, most everything which departs from it is heresy or at best misleading. New Age draws heavily on feelings (which change from day to day). Nonsense like, your truth and my truth are different, but we're both okay, is insane logic because truth is truth...there cannot be more than one truth. Jesus said it succinctly in Matthew 7:13-15 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." The gate is Jesus Christ. New Age is wool with fangs.

Madison Fairchild

I have long thought that Oprah Winfrey is one of the most dangerous women in America. She's intelligent, funny, charming, charismatic, dynamic, persuasive, and generous, but she is using those qualities to promote a worldview that is anti-Biblical to the core. Every time I see her on TV, I think of how the devil disguises himself as an angel of light. If it's true that she once believed in Christ, then I can only lament how she has fallen away from her first love, and how she is leading so many others astray. She needs our prayers that she will return to Jesus, and then turn her considerable talents back to serving Him instead of a false teacher like Tolle.
Written by: Chuck Norris
Sent by Madison Fairchild

Gina Dalfonzo

Thanks, Madison, but actually, Chuck Norris didn't write that. Our own Diane Singer wrote it, in a post about Norris and Winfrey.

http://thepoint.breakpoint.org/2008/03/chuck-norris-on.html

Jeff McCord

I'll bet my ONE and ONLY kidney that you haven't even read this book nor attending the Monday night webclasses w/ Oprah and Eckhart.

Because if you had, you wouldn't have written this idiotic and fabricated article.

Oprah is a Christian! WORDS FROM HER OWN MOUTH!!!! Oprah loves Jesus!! WORDS FROM HER OWN MOUTH!!!

Get over yourselves people! Your generation (aka not mine, THANK GOD) is full of hate, full of lies, full of fake Christianity and full of BS.

That's why your kids can't look up to you any more. We see right through it.

Gina Dalfonzo

I see Ms. Winfrey and Mr. Tolle have taught you a great deal about peace, harmony, and love of your fellow man.

That aside, that kind of attack is not acceptable on this blog. Change your tone or you'll be getting first a warning, then a suspension.

Roxanne

In response to Gina and defense for Oprah.
Where's the FRUIT? Where's the obedience? This is not judging, FACT is FACT.
Oprah's first book in her book club "Deep side of the Ocean" was about a family whose wife has an affair.
Nowhere is God mentioned when Oprah has these Mystics teaching "self" as the answer.
What happened to "giving" in silence not telling the world of your philanthropy? With her lavish living style, is not the philanthropy just possily just a "guilt" card?
Steadman out? Gail in? mmmh.... Gay?
Christian Values have not been exhibited in my opinion.
I will pray for her and our nation glued to such teachings. I myself will get my truth from the Holy Bible.

b.j.page

All that I would like to say it this...The Lord surely gives and the Lord can surely take away. I think you should remember this Miss Winfrey.

Matthew Hart

Dennis: You ask "How do you really know that what you really believe is really true?"
I do not rely on my belief or on any "proof" for that knowledge. I look to whether I and those around me are in a state of joy, non-hostility, non-fear. If a struggle over who is right disturbs that peace, I ask for the struggle to pause and for both parties to simply take each other in with love and silent appreciation. Sense the grace, life and sacredness of the God given life that stands before them. I do not try to "prove" the "truth" or argue over it.

How you treat your neighbor is the proof. Whether love exists in this present moment between US is the proof. God's breath is in the between space between us. How I treat you and how I respond to however you treat me is the primary test. Fail that, all other tests are useless. I have no theory about immortality, the afterlife. I believe in the love of Christ and that peace yields the experience of eternity.

I endeavor to live the Golden Rule. Which, by the way, appears in every religion and is not unique to Christianity. To that rule, I also add Christ's commandment to love God with all my heart, mind and spirit. Which is to say I look for his creation in you and others here, and in my enemy. If any faith claims to be the true religion, faith becomes just an extension of tribal warfare. Or a socio-politcal tool.

The "false religion" accusations in this thread truly dishearten me. These people really must open their minds to the possibility that non-Christians can be moral and treat others with great love and care. At at certain point you have to take your face out of the book you look for every instruction in, and try to walk in actual life, with people outside your congregation and belief system. And do it without assuming they are in league with Satan for not agreeing with you or coming from another culture.

InternationalPoet

It is my personal belief that God did give us the gift of "free will" to chose every second, of every day, of our life on this earth, whether we wish to "love Him" or "Not Love Him." Only an "all loving God" would desire His creations to have such a freedom. In giving us that freedom, he also gave the Devil free reign on this earth to tempt those who were given great blessings in their material gifts on this earth. Sadly, this individual is one of those, "who has lost her way." All we can do, is pray that she will again find her way back to God and His Son, Jesus.

John J. Rigo
Author and Publisher
of the Amidst Series
of charity-centered Poetry Books
http://www.lulu.com/texaspoet

Elena

I have turned the television off at four, I will no longer watch her. Or support her, as I had. I do pray for her, but I have righteous indignation over someone who promotes teachings, that goes against the sacrifice, my Lord Jesus Christ made on the cross. It was at a great cost that he gave, for each one of us, including her. But if she denies it, or mocks it, I will not watch her. It does not mean I am judging her, but truth is truth, and this truth speaks volumes. Truth will set one free. So, I am free from watching her.....I just don't have the desire to watch her show.. You do what you feel that honors God. What is mind boggling, is the media, does not even address this.
But I wonder what would happen, if people really stood for Christ.....hmmmmmm. And spoke truth. I guess, if all you can do is send an e-mail, like this, to others, do it.

So, I will pray for her soul, and I ask that you do too, because someday she will stand before God, as we all will, and anyone who has known truth and turned from God, will reap the consequences. Much harder. Not my word my Fathers. It's all in the Bible.....If one does not believe, all you have to do, is ask God. And read his word. Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. John 14:6. Lets remember that, and turn people to Jesus. Lets shine for Christ, he gave his all for us. What can we do for him? Elena

Hebrews 13:9

Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good to be strengthened by grace.

S. C

EVERYONE NEEDS TO TAKE A DEEP BREATHE AND REMEMBER GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE AND ONLY HE IS IN CONTROL.NOTHING CAN BE DONE BY MAN THAT GOD DOES'NT HAVE A PLAN FOR.

Patricia Kelly

“Isn’t it sad that our church’s today are leaving with us such a “guilt driven feeling of imperfection” we no longer have an interest in the church? Because of this people are searching for a peace and being driven toward this kind of thinking. The physical body wants to experience peace in a world that is so full of hate and deceit. We keep trying to “find” an answer to peace. It is time for our churches to wake up and focus on the healing of hearts otherwise our world will continue to search out the “Oprah” experience. It is a sad state of affairs when wealth of her caliber can broadcast hope in a way that people run to it. But,did you notice that she does not ask for money, she or rather this Tolle is offering peace of mind? Wake up church. We cannot just continue to preach love and prosperity through believing. It is only through the “HOPE” of Jesus Christ that we find peace at all. Spiritual abuse in the church must stop. Notice that the “Tolle way” did not mention the Holy Spirit. With out it we are all dying. My plea is that the church would view this message through the eyes and ears of the Holy Spirit. It is one thing to spread the message that this new way of thinking is wrong; it is completely another to not teach the reasons why it is wrong and begin to once again spread the Word and remind believers that Hope comes from believing and experiencing a life with Christ. And that life with God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit can also be a beautiful experience and not full of conditions that we cannot meet. Even this attack on Oprah, shows the condition of the church. People will condemn her for her wealth and buying power;not considering that the Christian community has the same buying power they just do not use it. Turn christian television.Do you see them preaching or spreading the "good news" without false teachings? Do they ever just promote Christ without thier hands out for more of your money. Oprah believes for what ever reasons she gives that is the way to new found peace and harmony. Do you beleive that the millions of followers running to this will not come from the church houses. As many who believed will run to this for no other reason than they are tired of being beaten down in and by thier own congregations. The church is full of mean people and the most judgemental I might add. Do you mean to tell me that the modern preachers of today or incapable of spreading the truth in and around thier community? Try to bring peace among the denomanations in America. It will not happen. Unity is what Oprah's money is buying. People are hungry for Peace, Hope, Love and Unity. We can't even agree to disagree with out bitterness. No wonder this "church" of Tolle's is growing so fast. Wake up American Church.....

Pat

I would hope that her audience is not there for the cars and believing her New Age Views just to sit there and have a chance at receiving a car

ONEDAYATATIME

JESUS CHRIST IS THE WAY, IS THE TRUTH AND IS THE LIGHT AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO SAY, IF YOU BELIEVE ANYONE ELSE OR ANYTHING ELSE--------- WELL.... GOD HELP YOU........

Myra

America is in shock over Oprah, well brace yourselves, more new agers in high places with much political clout will surface soon. This is not a war on Oprah, this is a war against the Ruler of Darkness, Principalities and spiritual wickedness in High places Eph 6. But once we pray against that system as a united body of Christ;;;; Victory is ours. So let's be more God like in this situation, praying for Oprah and those with her mindset and in doing so, pray for her salvation. ALL IS NOT LOST,;; It is not over until GOD says it is. Remember be not deceived, God is not Mocked, Whatsoever a man soweth that He shall also reap. So do not sow condemnation;;;; Sow love the Love of God, that covers a multitude of sins. AMEN

Nell

We have to pray for Oprah but we also have to pray for the people that are listening on Monday. Maybe they will see before it is to late. God is the only way, the only true way. Hopfully the people will find this blog, get their Bibles and read, and then pray forgivess.

Pat R

I agree with Nell...we need to pray for Oprah and all those involved that their spirituals eyes will be opened to see, and that their hearts will be opened to know, that Jesus is The Truth, the Light and the (One and Only) Way that leads to Heaven. I like the words of a song which says, "I've read the end of The Book and I know.."

Rick

I consider myself a Christian, I do not attend any church because I feel pressure from angry self-righteous, fist weilding born again Christians. My mom and dad still attend a Baptist church and my mom and me are at odds, just as these blogs attest, I have seen every podcast and am reading one chapter each week, and I do not see where Eckhart has ever even intimated that his way is the only way. He talks about all we really have is the now. Is that bad?

I spent a great deal of my life letting people and places control me, it has caused me to lose jobs, and I am now on Prozac and a couple other medications which just make me normal not medicated. I swear to you this book is actually helping me, and I believe Jesus and salvation are the only way that one may enter the kingdom of heaven. If Eckhart told me something to the contrary I'd tell him what he could do with that. But he hasn't done so yet, so I will continue just 2 more weeks and then make my own decision.

No one is going to convince me to change what I believe, new age or whatever, my faith in God is stronger today than it ever was when I was actively attending church. That's not to say that I may not again one day seek out a church, cause things are really getting pretty hairy out here. My son who is cominig to live with me for the first time in his life, after his mother's death has been a member of the mormon church, not the fundamentalilsts that get wierd with little kids but mainstream solid mormons. I'm not saying their right either, but I see the type of individuals they produce, and although I feel they may be a little brainwashed, I see nothing wrong with their religion. It does not threaten me, and neither does Tolle's writings.

In these times people are trying with everthing they have to reach out and grab a hold of something tangible. I believe it's a combination of what the Bible teaches, but the lingo is outdated. It is hard for people to understand, I have an open mind but there is a limit to what I will allow into my mind. So for me, I guess it's a case of wait and see, but when the fire and brimestone starts to shake it's fist, my mind tends to close right up. My God is a kind, caring and compassionate God and yes he does require some things of me, my obiediance to his teachings and so forth. I am not as learned as I was when I was a teenager, but I know when something is evil, and I won't buy in to that. So please let people be who they are and let them read and watch Tolle's podcasts or not as they choose. Last time I checked we did still have freedom of religion in the US of A north or south of the Mason Dixon line. Rodney King said it best, "why can't we all just get along." I guess I am a little learned I do have a Bachelor's Degree and went back to school at the age of 50 to get it. Peace, love and harmony to all my brothers and sisters in Christ, and those who are on the fence still. Good always triumphs over evil, read the end of Revelation, oh darn I gave away the ending to the movie. Ha ha. Peace, rick

Truth T

"I have seen every podcast and am reading one chapter each week, and I do not see where Eckhart has ever even intimated that his way is the only way. He talks about all we really have is the now. Is that bad?"

Bad?? Probably not, even in the New Testament, Jesus told us not to worry for tomorrow...... but dangerous, YES!!!!! most definitely.

WE Christians are not judgemental, bigoted, racist or any of the other awful names that people like to call us. We, like the rest of humanity are sinners. Oops!!!! Did I say a bad word??? OR did we all forget that not one of us is perfect and that we all live in a broken and imperfect world. That our relationship with God is fractured and that the only remedy is JESUS.

Where is the judgement in that. I did not judge, God did. He has every right to. He created this world that we live in and who are we to presume that we could ever be good enough to come to Him on our own??? That is arrogance my friends. We are all sinners and need a savior. His name is Jesus. There is no other way. That's how God set it up and it hasn't and will not ever change.

God wouldn't be God if He bowed to our whims and ideas. He is the owner of the cattle on a thousand hills, he is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. We would do well to give Him the Honor and Respect that he deserves.

His greatest gift to us was the sacrifice of His son Jesus and His death on the cross. Jesus BORE ALL OUR SINS on that cruel cross, so that we could become the sons of God. He only asks 1 thing of us, "Believe in me, and no other. Make me LORD of your life, and no other." Is that so hard?

And there is true freedom, true joy, true peace in the life that follows.


Is focusing on the here and now so bad? YES-- We are told to strive for our future goal - Eternity with God. That is what we look forward to, what we anticipate, what we long for.

And the Good News????? ALL are invited!!!!! God will refuse no one, you just have to accept and believe in Jesus, His Son.

Peace.


Julie

Seems to me from the comments that I am reading, that again, certain people are breaking the rule "Thou shalt not judge". How about we all just live & let live? I think that it is more important to be a spiritual & loving being, rather than being so wrapped up with who or where it came from.

LeeQuod

Julie wrote: 'certain people are breaking the rule "Thou shalt not judge". How about we all just live & let live?'

People drive way over the speed limit on my street. There's a small dip in the roadway that obscures a driver's vision. When you crest out of that dip, there are houses on either side with toddlers.

Perhaps I shouldn't judge the speeders, in spite of the danger to the children who might wander off the sidewalk and into the street? (The other day I saw one three-year-old cross the street unattended.) Should I be blissfully spiritual & loving as a child gets run over?

What about hundreds of thousands of innocents, Julie?

You might want to read a biography of Neville Chamberlain.

GTJ

Interesting Truth T: "certain people are breaking the rule "Thou shalt not judge". How about we all just live & let live?" I believe you are refering to Matt. 7:1-3 which states:

"1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

So, Jesus was not telling us not to judge, just that we should be careful if we judge, for we shall be judged witht the same standards.

So, please stop judging people, for judging.

Grace2U

It appears to me that most Americans have lost the ability to think critically. We tend to embrace the latest self-help guide without analyzing the message or the messenger.

Tolle does not bear scrutiny as a person of wisdom, peace, intellectual honesty, or truthfulness. What others in this thread have seen as gentleness in his demeanor I see as discomfort and creepiness. Tolle's documented life has been a sequence of suicidal despair, isolation, feigned intellectualism (without any verified scholarly credentials), and includes a decade of lost years that he says were spent in a state of bliss on park benches. He intentionally misquotes and distorts the Bible, often to reinforce his message that Christianity is a brutal and dangerous religion. He does not believe in God, other than a Hindu-like "consciousness." In his philosophy, one's highest purpose is to tune out of reality in order to anesthetize oneself to pain. His proposed new way of living does not seem to include any real sense of wisdom or joy, no loving and giving relationships with friends and family, no self-sacrifice, nor a redeeming afterlife. These are things that give mature Christians true peace.

The passionate responses in this discussion from Christians that have been called angry and intolerant are valid. We believe that God revealed himself through his Word as written in Holy Scripture and through his only Son our Lord Jesus Christ. When God's beloved children are led astray by false teachers, we grieve as He does. Oprah and Tolle are both confused and searching souls who deserve our prayers, but they also are being used for evil purposes by the Prince of the Air. Yes, that makes us angry, but we ought not to give in to our baser instincts. Better that we reach out to those who are responding to the Church of Oprah and help them to think through what is being taught, and by whom; and find out why they would rather believe Tolle rather than Scripture that has transformed the lives of millions for two millenia. We have a lot of work to do as a Church when our message is dismissed so readily.

Grace and peace to all of you.

Raymond Takashi Swenson

The passage quoted in the original post sounds like a lot of the psychobabble that one can hear at a lot of Protestant mainline denominations these days. I have absolutely not familiar with the person whose statement is the focus here, but if the statement is representative, then it seems to me that people are confusing this with Christian worship because a lot of ministers have already confused it with Christian worship. Barak Obama already told us that he thinks the Sermon on the Mount somehow contradicts Paul's cautions about avoiding homosexual sin, so the notion that "God is love"="God loves me without any change in what I do or who I worship" is already adultering a lot of what people call Christianity.

Truth T

JGT:
Interesting Truth T: "certain people are breaking the rule "Thou shalt not judge". How about we all just live & let live?" I believe you are refering to Matt. 7:1-3 which states:


Julie wrote the judging thing, not me. The name of the poster is posted below the post.

And again, I will repeat what I did say in my original post. I did not judge, God did. IT is not up to me to decide the fate of people, it is GOD. But He did charge me with a purpose and that is to spread the gospel (Good News) of Jesus Christ.

Everyone has free will to accept or reject Jesus. God wishes all to accept and I believe it breaks His heart when people reject Jesus. But do not be decieved, God will not be mocked. Just as there are CONSEQUENCES to our behaviors here on Earth, there will be consequences to our decision about Jesus.

Peace.

JGT

Truth T: I do apologise for the mistake. I do agree with the rest of you post.

Matthew Hart

Just a short question, please. How many people posting here...
- have actually watched any of the Tolle interview episodes?
- have watched all the episodes?
- have read the book A New Earth?
- prefer not to be exposed to any of it?
Is it the belief here that the Bible is the only Word that can make people moral, loving and bring them peace? Or have some here opened themselves to the possibility that, say, Mathatma Gandhi, a Jain, was a good and peaceful man? Do some here believe there is something wrong with Gandhi because he did not get his moral standards solely from the Bible?

Many of the British soldiers who massacred Gandhi's 400 followers and wounded 1200 others at Amritsar in 1919 were Bible educated Christians from a Christian empire. Americans from the north and south quoted Biblical passages in the nineteenth century to justify their brutal treatment of African and Native American "savages."

I believe moral people of peace can find many paths to kindness - to the loving treatment of their fellow beings. If, however the goal is selfish personal salvation and a reward in heaven, that can work too, but only if the laws for getting to heaven are also humane.

But there are enemy-makers in the Church promising personal salvation if they take up arms against things non-Christian.

I believe something counts beside my personal salvation. Other people count. All other people. Christian, non-Christian.

I am not ready to think of Oprah or Tolle as enemies just because I fear being "left behind." I am ready to listen if their message is peace and a release from ego. And it is.

The way fundamentalist preachers have stigmatized "New Age" ideas and people as secularist enemies of Christianity has to be one of the most glaring prejudices perpetrated on people. Their flocks have been taught to fear anything non-Christian and that is truly sad for me to see.

Steve

Matt,
Well, I for one will weigh in.

I have not and will not watch any episodes, not because I'm not interested in hearing other viewpoint, but simply because I don't watch much TV of any sort.

I flipped through his book while shopping through Sam's Club a few weeks ago. He makes some reasonable points regarding pride and narcissism, but I wouldn't expect him to be wrong about everything. I also read enough to ascertain that his characterization of Christianity is grossly inaccurate. (I'm afraid most Americans don't understand Christianity well enough to catch that). There will be, I am sure, a number of Christians who will read the book and provide critical analysis, if they haven't already.

Mahatma Gandhi was not the man he is portrayed in Hollywood. He was an unrepentant racist who considered blacks inferior and uncivilized, and openly declared that if he had had nuclear weapons, he would have used them against Britain. (But please don't take my word for it - check it out yourself). His passive nonviolence was a strategy of expediency that worked because the British were basically decent people. The Nazis or Communists would have just slaughtered him, and anyone who looked like him just to be sure.

Before British colonial rule, Indian society was cruel and unjust. The Brits abolished some of the more heinous traditions, like immolating widows on the funeral pyre of their deceased husbands (who wants to be bothered with taking care of widows, anyway?). Regrettably, they never got as far as abolishing the caste system. Although British evangelicals tried, there was within the British empire, not surprisingly, a powerful contingent that was quite comfortable with the ideas of class and aristocracy.

If you can point to a real, historical example where peace, justice, and kindness were achieved through anything resembling Tolle's musings, please do share it with us.

Rolley Haggard

Matthew, I agree with much of what you say, and there are plenty of bible passages to support the idea that not every one who says ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven and that many of the first shall be last and the last first, etc.

However.

What we are doing here is not “taking up arms against things non-Christian”, but rather warning against things ANTI-Christian. I’m not splitting hairs. There is a difference. Like Chuck said in his 4/28 commentary, God is opposed to “any lie that would steal His children away from Him and send them after false gods;” and that is precisely the tendency that Oprah’s and Tolle’s teachings have – to get people to find salvation and a livable world view not in Christ and His word, but in attractive substitutes.

I am not against Oprah and Tolle; they are unspeakably precious to God, as are all people. I am against those ideas of theirs that tend to lead them and others away from the safety of “the [historical] faith which was once for all handed down to the saints” (Jude 3).

“Faith worketh by love” (Galatians 5:6) – i.e., you know a true person of faith by the way they treat others. We are in perfect agreement there. But it is not loving to give a free pass to everyone who claims to have a corner on the truth. The truly loving thing is to challenge – civilly, but robustly, too -- anything that tends to lead people away from the truth as it is in Jesus.

LeeQuod

Steve wrote: "Regrettably, they never got as far as abolishing the caste system."

And if only those Brits had, we might not be reading today about a six-year-old girl (six!!) who was thrown onto burning embers for... stepping out of line: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/30/india.caste/index.html

Clearly, India needs a Rosa Parks and a Martin Luther King, Jr. Or a whole lot of Christians working for real change and willing to sacrifice to achieve it.

Doubtful it will come from Oprah-watchers seeking only *personal* peace.

There is only one way to get to heaven and that is obey God's word. And, there is only one church that is not baptist or methodist etc., it is the Church of God. God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. Remember the scripture John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Caleb Dilmore

I agree with you 100%! I just don't see how a woman who has grown up as a Christian and knows what the Bible says is true can just walk away and not only promote, but follow a false "religion." It just baffles me. All we can do, however, is pray for Oprah & Tolle...and the millions of lost souls who are listening to them.

KC

I don't see how Oprah is a threat to the entity that supposedly created the Universe. Think about what you are saying here. Christianity has survived a heck of a lot worse than Oprah! What are you afraid of? Most dangerous woman in America??? Come on now, you can't really believe that! You have supposed Christians like our good friend Rev Wright spewing hate and calling for folks to be exterminated and some real screwballs running for President and you are worried about Oprah? Wake up. You've got Muslims doing everything they can to bring death and destruction to your Christian homes, illegal aliens actively destroying your country’s economy, and political correctness complicating every single process and history being rewritten right before you eyes...and you're afraid of Oprah.
Wow. I'm not worried about Oprah taking on God. I’m not worried about one small woman with a big bank account saying that introspection, meditation, and becoming a better human being is a good thing. I worried about you making up things to worry about when we have more on our plate than we can handle now! Try a little less mouth and finger pointing. Try using your supposed power of prayer and belief in He that created all things to strengthen your resolve and your faith. If you really believe in the protection and guidance you TALK about as a child of God, then leave Oprah for God to deal with and go do something positive. I think He can handle Oprah just fine without your zealous hysterics.

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